John from Cincinnati "His Visit, Day Nine" 8/12/07

[aus1ander]

Lots of small clues in this episode. Too bad this will probably be the last.

Its seeming more and more evident that this entire show questions (at its core) the implications of faith and trust on its characters.

Anyone else think that Monad seems to be referring to the end of the world?

[terpfan1980]

Definitely still no real answers. Watch the video. Watch the video and learn what from it?

[aus1ander]

Did anyone catch exactly what John said when Kai was surfing at the very end? I watched it live on satellite and didn't record it...

[Fahtrim]

Did anyone catch exactly what John said when Kai was surfing at the very end? I watched it live on satellite and didn't record it...
Kai, mother of god - parapharsing.

I'm very confused. Who was the car dealer, he knew everthing that John did............

[aus1ander]

Kai, mother of god - parapharsing.

I'm very confused. Who was the car dealer, he knew everthing that John did............

His father? Just a guess.

Wouldn't it be perfect? God is a used car salesman.

[dswallow]

Anyone else think that Monad seems to be referring to the end of the world?
Nah. It was just an ad for the city of Pasadena.

http://www.91114.com/

[pdhenry]

As soon as they said "the Chinaman" I thought "Wu!"

My gleam:
JFC is the advance guard of some group of somethings who will arrive on 9-11-14. I'm thinking aliens. Maybe everyone else knew this but sometimes I'm a bit slow on the inferences.

[astrohip]

Did anyone catch exactly what John said when Kai was surfing at the very end? I watched it live on satellite and didn't record it...
According to the captions:

"Mother of God--Cass/Kai"

[astrohip]

JFC is the advance guard of some group of somethings who will arrive on 9-11-14.
Arriving for the big shuffleboard tourney on that day? :D

[mpar1]

According to the captions:

"Mother of God--Cass/Kai"



That's how I heard it but I had to listen 3 times to catch it.

I'm as confused as ever about the show but did enjoy it.

[TAsunder]

I like how they just glossed over the doctor suddenly being 20 years younger.

I can't figure out what is going on with the terrorism references. It seems like the indication is a world war that destroys the world on 9/11/14 but that seems kind of cliched and 24-esque to me.

They may have overdone the hawaiian accent a bit, but I still liked the scene with Wu.

[aus1ander]

I like how they just glossed over the doctor suddenly being 20 years younger.


When did he appear this way? I completely missed that.

EDIT: Lots of interesting tidbits about the episode here, including a transcript of the car dealer interaction: http://www.hbo.com/johnfromcincinnati/inside/season1/episode10.html

[TAsunder]

When did he appear this way? I completely missed that.

It was near the end in a montage. He was a long haired kid standing next to a nurse. JFC said something about it, one sentence.

[astrohip]

I still understand little, but I enjoyed the ride. Early word is JFC is not being renewed, so I guess we'll have to fill in the blanks ourselves.

The look on Dickstein's face was worth the entire season. :up:

[rkester]

I thought this episode was a huge letdown. They promised answers and gave us nothing more than more of the same nonsense.

I thought as it ended, I was just missing something, and realize that was it.

Too bad, the show started cool and went nowhere.

[Bananfish]

When did [the doctor] appear [20 years younger]? I completely missed that.[/url]

John's voice-over said something like "Dr. Smith comes back from Cincinnati 20 years younger" while they show a long-haired kid skateboarding.

[Tivortex]

"Too bad, the show started cool and went nowhere."

Or so you think.

[Bananfish]

As soon as they said "the Chinaman" I thought "Wu!"

There was another Deadwood alumnus on this show as well who we hadn't seen before. Peter Jason, the guy who played the used car salesman (but who is clearly an important character in the future if this show stays alive), also played Con Stapleton on Deadwood, one of the bumbling managers at Cy Tolliver's saloon/casino.

[Bananfish]

Deadwood alumni on JFC:

Actor Deadwood character JFC character
--------------------- --------------------------------- ------------------------------
Paula Malcolmson Trixie Waitress Jerri
Jim Beaver Elllworth Vietnam Joe
Dayton Callie Charlie Utter Freddy
Peter Jason Con Stapleton used car salesman
Keone Young Mr. Wu "The Chinaman"
Garrett Dillahunt JackMcCall/Francis Wolcott Dr. Smith
Austin Nichols John Monad Morgan Earp

[drew2k]

John's voice-over said something like "Dr. Smith comes back from Cincinnati 20 years younger" while they show a long-haired kid skateboarding.
Based on other comments from JFC, I'm not convinced the skinny long-haired kid was Dr. Smith. I can't remember the order, but just before or after JFC mentioned Dr. Smith, he also said, "Cissy Yost gets knocked up and becomes bigger than Leona Helmsley".

It sounded to me like John was talking about future events. If he wasn't, and that was Dr. Smith, then Cissy should have been pregnant and "bigger than Leona", whatever that means ...

---

For the record, I was disappointed in the finale. I don't understand how Linc left Stinkweed and signed Shawn on his own, but then suddenly Link can get Stinkweed to represent/front the entire Yost family. I don't understand why Mitch can levitate. I don't understand why Cass/Kai are mentioned as "one". I don't understand 9-11-14 and what that has to do with the Porn Queen's room number.

I ... guess I ... just .... don't ... get ... it. :(

[phox_mulder]

"All will be revealed"

Nothing will be explained though.

Still, it was an interesting ride.
I think I had my eyes closed for most of it though, much like my first roller coaster.
Not sure if I want to puke or ride again.

I think one quote sums it up.

"I don't know Butchie, instead"


phox

[dswallow]

"I don't know Butchie, instead"
Has it been determined for sure that a comma is supposed to be in that sentence?

[phox_mulder]

Has it been determined for sure that a comma is supposed to be in that sentence?

I don't know.

I edited that post 3 times before it stuck.


phox

[spikedavis]

Well that certainly was a waste of time.

[moondoggie]

Did the shuffleboard have the numbers 9 1 1 14 on it? I thought it did when they peeled back the cover from the new paint job. Not that I have any idea what this show was about, my head is still spinning.

[PJO1966]

Did the shuffleboard have the numbers 9 1 1 14 on it? I thought it did when they peeled back the cover from the new paint job.

yes.

[dswallow]

Did the shuffleboard have the numbers 9 1 1 14 on it? I thought it did when they peeled back the cover from the new paint job. Not that I have any idea what this show was about, my head is still spinning.
Yes it did.

[pdhenry]

9 1 1 1 4 as in 9, 11, 14, which John said a couple of times (at least once in a way that suggested the date of 9/11/14).

[Fl_Gulfer]

I thought the world was suppose to end when the Mayan calander ends Dec. 21,2012 It looked like that was the last episode the way they were explaining stuff at the end, about the family getting all back together and such.

[Charlutz]

I could see people not liking either show (like my wife), but is there someone out there who prefers JFC to Deadwood? The decision to walk away from Deadwood on the edge of finishing it to doing JFC has to be one of the worst ever. Lots of people predicted it. I just hoped it wasn't going to come true.

[TAsunder]

IMO, the best episode of JFC did not even come close to even the worst episode of Deadwood.

[Family]

A day after airing its season finale, HBO has cancelled the surfing drama John from Cincinnati. According to The Hollywood Reporter, series creator David Milch will continue to work for the pay cable network.

[jeffo13]

A day after airing its season finale, HBO has cancelled the surfing drama John from Cincinnati. According to The Hollywood Reporter, series creator David Milch will continue to work for the pay cable network.


If true, maybe Milch can get back to the Deadwood movies or start the series back up. (one can hope :) )

Not to say I did not enjoy JFC, but it was no Deadwood. I sometimes like being taken on a ride without any idea where it is going or if I will like where it ends up.

Jeff

[TAsunder]

I can't wait for his new series, where 2 year olds in a daycare speak milchian dialogue and the main story arc is about a special sippy cup.

[Charlutz]

I can't wait for his new series, where 2 year olds in a daycare speak milchian dialogue and the main story arc is about a special sippy cup.

Who is the daycare provider? Ellsworth? Charlie Utter would be weird after seeing him on JFC. Trixie or Wolcott would be spooky. :D Cap'n _untface?

[mitchb2]

I haven't watched the finale yet. Is there any point?

[cpalma]

I watched the whole series. Towards about Day 6 I started losing track of WTF was going on. I stuck with it. I still have no idea what I just watched.

From the beginning, but especially towards the middle the entire show suffered from having a really bad actor in Shaunie. He had 2 expressions--smile and blank. Since the show revolved around Shaunie and John, it was hard to have any sympathy or even care if he "was gone" or not. Personally, I was glad "Shaunie was gone" because I didn't have to listen to that monotone dialogue.

As for this final episode. I said, I have to go to the TIVO boards to understand what I just watched.

Looks like not many here got it either. There is 2 pages and nary an episode explanation among them. Did anyone get it?

Why was Mitch levitating?
Where did the doctor go?
What was the story behind "Wu" and Freddie?
Did anyone else realize that Dickstein's girlfriend was Jennifer Grey? I saw her name in the credits and went back and looked for her.
Why was Cass so important?

I am a huge Deadwood fan, but I think Milch dropped the ball on this one.

[TAsunder]

The story behind Wu and Freddie = Freddie wants to give up his life as a crime lord but feared Wu was coming after him to forcibly take his territory. Freddie offered his territory to the grunt who agreed to take it and not kill Freddie on behalf of Wu.

That was dickstein's wife I thought?

Cass has the camera which is apparently the only way to get people to "hear" god.

[cpalma]

Thanks for some explanation. Of course, now that you spell it out, I get it (or at least those parts you spelled out). :D

I thought she was his fiance.

[jtlytle]

I guess we will never know the answers from this show...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/14/television.john.reut/index.html

[drew2k]

Did anyone else realize that Dickstein's girlfriend was Jennifer Grey? I saw her name in the credits and went back and looked for her.Fiance, not wife, and yes ... last week I posted about Jennifer Grey playing Daphne.

[calitivo]

From the beginning, but especially towards the middle the entire show suffered from having a really bad actor in Shaunie.

Have to agree. Just didn't work for me at all. This and Sissy's overacting were my least favorite parts of the show.

[IndyJones1023]

Poking in here I'm glad I gave up early on.

[pmyers]

I was thinking that Linc was going to uncover everything for us but nope....

[skaeight]

Thank god I stopped watching this show after 3 episodes. I put money on the fact it wouldn't go anywhere and it sounds like I won.

[UTV2TiVo]

Have to agree. Just didn't work for me at all. This and Sissy's overacting were my least favorite parts of the show.

I hated the Sissy character but I don't think it was due to RDM's overacting, I think she was written that way.

[UTV2TiVo]

I was thinking that Linc was going to uncover everything for us but nope....

Sure seemed like the Linc character figured it out but even after the speech to the parade crowd I'm still mostly lost.

[wmcbrine]

"I don't know Butchie, instead"
+1 :up: :D

I haven't watched the finale yet. Is there any point?If you enjoyed previous episodes, I think you'll enjoy this one. If you're looking for answers, forget it.

[markp99]

We watched the last three eps in a row. The story was building good momentum in 7 & 8 but just fell apart in ep 9. It seemed as if they simply needed to wrap-up and ran out of film.

I think the story needed more time.

Sorry to see this series go away.

My wife and I enjoyed playing with John's parrot speak. :)

[Mabes]

I watched all the way to the end. For those trying to figure out what it all means, IMO forget. It meant nothing, it was just a bunch of silly pretentious crap.

I almost didn't make it through the last episode, in fact I fast forwarded a little. At one point I told myself that if I heard John repeat back what somebody said in that stupid little voice of his one more time I was going end it right there. Couldn't do it, had to ride the train until it ran off the tracks.

There has been a lot of speculation that John was some sort of a Christ figure. Please help me with this. It's been a long time since I've been to church, but I don't remember Christ as stupid parrot, he was a wise teacher.

JFC may be the worst TV show ever done by someone with talent.

edit -

http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2007/08/john-from-cin-2.html

Was curious so I searched around. Found a few Milch quotes on a blog. The blogs writer calls the show "wonderous." I still say it's crap, perhaps even more so.

[HoldenBanky]

Didn't anyone think it was significant that after starting out as one of the most disfunctional families ever at the end, and thanks to John, they were all together, smiling, and happy for the most part?

[cherry ghost]

Didn't anyone think it was significant that after starting out as one of the most disfunctional families ever at the end, and thanks to John, they were all together, smiling, and happy for the most part?


No

[midas]

At one point I told myself that if I heard John repeat back what somebody said in that stupid little voice of his one more time I was going end it right there.

Wow, that was one of my favorite parts of the show. That and Ed O'Neill made the show for me.

Of course, it couldn't be the plot because I still don't have a clue about what was going on.

[cheesesteak]

JFC may be the worst TV show ever done by someone with talent.
+1

This show probably sounded like a great idea when it was pitched to HBO but it was horribly executed.

It got to the point that I ffwd'd through Ed O'Neil's parts. He was just an extraneous nut in a show full of nuts.

[Timbeau]

I wasn't able to watch this show on Sunday night but on Monday I peeked at the first couple of posts in this thread. I finally watched the ep last night and it was very enjoyable, since I knew that even though it was the final episode it wouldn't be answering any questions.

[GadgetFreak]

Who is the daycare provider? Ellsworth? Charlie Utter would be weird after seeing him on JFC. Trixie or Wolcott would be spooky. :D Cap'n _untface?


F*ucking Wu! Hopefully he won't let the children near the pigs.

[Bananfish]

Interesting quote from David Milch in that blog that someone posted a link to:

"I wrote ("Deadwood's") Al Swearingen for Ed [O'Neill]...If he'd had that part the show would still be running."

First of all, it's hard to imagine Ed O'Neill as Al Swearingen, even taking into account how brilliant O'Neill was in JFC. And second of all, to somehow intimate that O'Neill could have been so much better than Ian McShane in that role that Deadwood would still be running just goes to show how far over the deep end Milch has gone.

[JoeTiVo]

And second of all, to somehow intimate that O'Neill could have been so much better than Ian McShane in that role that Deadwood would still be running just goes to show how far over the deep end Milch has gone.

The 'bigger name' actor might have made it easier to keep it going. Could have given them better ratings overall too.

[pmyers]

The 'bigger name' actor might have made it easier to keep it going. Could have given them better ratings overall too.

That's a stretch. I only know O'niel from Married with Children and McShane certainly has gained popularity in Deadwood and other projects.

[Bananfish]

The 'bigger name' actor might have made it easier to keep it going. Could have given them better ratings overall too.

That's an interesting thought, but I kind of doubt it's true. I really don't think Ed O'Neill has that kind of panache - it's hard to imagine there are a significant number of people out there who would say to themselves "ohhhh, Ed O'Neill is in that show, I'm going to check it out!"

And I suspect that many fans of Deadwood watched specifically to watch McShane in that role. Personally I consider his performance to be the single greatest series television dramatic performance I have ever seen - pretty incredible that a guy with a British accent in real life could be the perfect embodiment of the rugged American frontiersman. (Then again, I also found O'Neill's performance in JFC to be incredibly compelling - I don't think I would have watched to the bitter end except for his extraordinary performance.)

[JoeTiVo]

That's an interesting thought, but I kind of doubt it's true. I really don't think Ed O'Neill has that kind of panache - it's hard to imagine there are a significant number of people out there who would say to themselves "ohhhh, Ed O'Neill is in that show, I'm going to check it out!"

Ed probably has bigger drawing power than the two of you give him credit for. He's got a pretty extensive catalog of work.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0642145/

And I suspect that many fans of Deadwood watched specifically to watch McShane in that role. Personally I consider his performance to be the single greatest series television dramatic performance I have ever seen - pretty incredible that a guy with a British accent in real life could be the perfect embodiment of the rugged American frontiersman. (Then again, I also found O'Neill's performance in JFC to be incredibly compelling - I don't think I would have watched to the bitter end except for his extraordinary performance.)

I agree 100%. McShane was terrific in the role and was the major draw of the show for most. But, what if you'd have NEVER seen him in the role and instead Ed O'Neil played the character? We may have missed out on the great performance of McShane, but who's to say what we would have thought of Ed's.

[TAsunder]

I read that merely as milch still longing to work with ed o'neill while he was working on deadwood. A statement of his desire to work with a specific actor and not of disappointment with how deadwood turned out.

[Charlutz]

Milch is screwing with all of you. He screwed up completely by going forward with JFC and leaving Deadwood one season from perfection. The fact that he is moving onto the cop project without even exploring resurrecting Deadwood for a final season pisses me off. I don't care how good he thinks O'Neill could have been in that role. We'll never know. But we do know that McShane was freaking brilliant. Stole the show away from Bullock, who was probably the lead when the show was conceived. By saying Deadwood was something other than what he envisioned, he's just trying to save face for how bad JFC turned out. Yes, I'm bitter. I was skeptical when JFC was announced, but I tempered my disappointment over losing Deadwood by trusting that Milch knew what he was doing. I'll give his new show a fair shake, but I won't stop missing Deadwood. Dan Dority should pull his eye out.

Ahh. That felt good. :)

[Mabes]

http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2007/08/john-from-cin-2.html

He wasn't screwing with us. He was trying to teach us, maaaaaaan. He was trying to show us a new way of telling a story, where the words and actions of the characters didn't mean what they seemed, or meant whatever we wanted them to mean, or meant nothing at all. But we were so caught up in our reality trip that we could not be enlightened. :rolleyes:

I've read that interview a few times and it annoys me more each time. Take the discussion of dumping out [insert obvious joke]. How is anyone watching supposed to have any idea that that is what is happening until Milch tells us? I'm not one who thinks that all movies or TV shows have to have be precise in what they are about, I love 2001: A Space Odessy and Mullholland Drive by David Lynch, but you got to give us something to work with. If the entire story, by definition, doesn't mean anything, why the hell are we watching it?

[dswallow]

I enjoyed the series for the ride it was. But after the fact I've now read two articles of sorts from people involved in the show... one the HBO inside look on, I think, the finale, and the other this interview with the creator of it, and both have left me with a pretty strong distaste for the creative team behind the show. Like I said, I enjoyed it. But reading their motivations and intentions make me feel dirty having watched it; they have this convoluted theory of manipulation in what they intended to say in the story, and it's maybe 90 degrees out of sync with how I enjoyed the show. I wouldn't hire these guys again to do anything.

[Mabes]

I enjoyed 2 aspects of the show, the character of Butchie and, believe it or not, Cissy. I thought she was hysterical. Like in the episode when what's his name was levitating, she walks in and says, "Come down from there!", like she would with a child. Some of her putdowns were hilarious. And she's still hot, I think just about my age.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Take the discussion of dumping out [insert obvious joke]. How is anyone watching supposed to have any idea that that is what is happening until Milch tells us?
Well, I'm not so sure about that. I didn't go back after I figured out John's speech habits (he only repeats what other people have said to him) and analyze "dumping out" [insert obvious joke], but given the context of John's later behavior, I don't think it would have been that hard to figure out on a second viewing.

[Mabes]

Well, I'm not so sure about that. I didn't go back after I figured out John's speech habits (he only repeats what other people have said to him) and analyze "dumping out" [insert obvious joke], but given the context of John's later behavior, I don't think it would have been that hard to figure out on a second viewing.

The fact that he was just repeating what was said, yes. That he meant it to be helpful, I don't think so. I mean when he asked Kai, yes he was trying to be helpful, but what I got from the quote was that John undestand the specifc words of "Did you dump out?" to mean "Can I help you?"

Whateverrrrrrrr.

[Mabes]

I can't get away from this show today. I was at the Straight Dope forum and saw this, supposedly from an HBO Insider -

According to David, 9-11-14 deals with a story line in which there was going to be a attempt of a genocide against the Muslims. "Those towel heads are going to get themselves eradicated." The whole purpose of John's visit was to create an "army" to prevent this from happening.

Cissy is the glue of a family that no matter how ****ed up it gets, she protects it and keeps it together. She would be the glue that holds the purpose, the army of those against the genocide together.

Cass is the visionary who is also the media to get the word out that danger is lurking.

Mitch was the spokesman (PSA's) who would do the talking, there by getting back into the game.

Linc is the corporation and money who the world would take seriously and listen to. He is the spin doctor.

Barry, Ramon and Dickstein are the three wise men, brought together at the Snug Harbor, a scruffy dirty place sort of like a barn were a young Jesus now lives.

Shaun is a Jesus.

Freddy and Palaka are warriors to do battle against the enemy.

Bill is the law, and a General.

Doc, well, he's the doctor who initially was going to help the poor from Latin America. Joe was going to smuggle them into the country for Doc to work on. There was once a whole story point about the Doc helping children with harelip malformations.


My God.

[TAsunder]

I thought that john's way of repeating the emotion / intent of what others had said to him was pretty obvious after a point. As to specific meanings, that was less obvious, but I am sure, as rob said, that they would make sense on subsequent viewings.

[Rob Helmerichs]

One thing (possibly the main thing) I planned to do on a second viewing (which seems unlikely now, due to the lack of a second season and HBO's insane DVD prices) was to pay much closer attention to what John said and the context. Obviously, I can't tell what I would have gotten out of it, but by the end it was clear to me that there was a lot more going on with what he said than I realized at the time.

[madscientist]

I can't get away from this show today. I was at the Straight Dope forum and saw this, supposedly from an HBO Insider -See, that sounds pretty cool and interesting, if true. It's too bad they had to bury everything so deeply that you always felt like you should have been playing the soundtrack backwards. I loved Deadwood and I understood what was going on there, and I had CC on for JFC so I didn't feel like I was missing too much of the actual dialog, but I still didn't understand it.

I get that people want to be different, but they crossed a line here.

Too bad they did, because I think I would have enjoyed the series if they'd managed to walk it instead.

[GadgetFreak]

I can't get away from this show today. I was at the Straight Dope forum and saw this, supposedly from an HBO Insider -



And who was John supposed to be?

[Bananfish]

I can't get away from this show today. I was at the Straight Dope forum and saw this, supposedly from an HBO Insider -

According to David, 9-11-14 deals with a story line in which there was going to be a attempt of a genocide against the Muslims. "Those towel heads are going to get themselves eradicated." The whole purpose of John's visit was to create an "army" to prevent this from happening.

Cissy is the glue of a family that no matter how ****ed up it gets, she protects it and keeps it together. She would be the glue that holds the purpose, the army of those against the genocide together.

Cass is the visionary who is also the media to get the word out that danger is lurking.

Mitch was the spokesman (PSA's) who would do the talking, there by getting back into the game.

Linc is the corporation and money who the world would take seriously and listen to. He is the spin doctor.

Barry, Ramon and Dickstein are the three wise men, brought together at the Snug Harbor, a scruffy dirty place sort of like a barn were a young Jesus now lives.

Shaun is a Jesus.

Freddy and Palaka are warriors to do battle against the enemy.

Bill is the law, and a General.

Doc, well, he's the doctor who initially was going to help the poor from Latin America. Joe was going to smuggle them into the country for Doc to work on. There was once a whole story point about the Doc helping children with harelip malformations.


I'd put the odds at 7 to 1 that this is true - it sounds like something someone trying to mess with people's heads would make up, and it certainly strikes me that Milch wouldn't spill all that out in such detail to a stagehand. And the details sound a little convoluted - e.g., Shaun doesn't live in a barn type place, and I mean, come on, Barry, Ramon and Dickstein are "wise" men?!?

That said, it sounds so much cooler than anything that actually happened on the show - if that's where they were going, Milch should have got at least part way there this season, and maybe he'd still have a show on the air.

[GaryGnu]

I could see people not liking either show (like my wife), but is there someone out there who prefers JFC to Deadwood? The decision to walk away from Deadwood on the edge of finishing it to doing JFC has to be one of the worst ever. Lots of people predicted it. I just hoped it wasn't going to come true.

Deadwood was the greatest show ever made. JFC was something far less than that.

[cheesesteak]

There's no way I'm watching this series twice to try to figure it out. My brain's limited horsepower isn't up to the task. Television shouldn't be this hard.

[Anubys]

I'm so happy this got canceled...our long nightmare is over...

how could such brilliance (deadwood) and garbage (JFC) come out of the same man?

[insert dumping joke here]

good riddance...

[GaryGnu]

I happened to click my special Deadwood subtitle button on my remote, and this is what "the Chinaman" *actually* said:

"Swe'gin... John... Hun'guy! ...... cincinnati-co*ksucker!"

But I'm not sure what that means either.

Ooops, I mean: I don't know Butchie instead.

[cwoody222]

I enjoyed the ride of this but I was let-down by the finale. Nothing really was revealed at all. Oh well.

[bigrig]

It seemed to me that the car dealer dude was channeling Ed O'Neills character? That was weird.

While there's a ton of unexplained stuff, I've got a couple of specific things:
- What the heck were the "Aerial" implants in Butchie's head?
- What was that facility with the large circular fence around it?

[Anubys]

- What was that facility with the large circular fence around it?

answer (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5355409&&#post5355409)

[bigrig]

answer (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5355409&&#post5355409)
Thanks!

I also did some browsing at the HBO forums and found this -
http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700012042

And this for the implants -
http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700011196

[pdhenry]

answer (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5355409&&#post5355409)About midway thru the season I did some browsing around IB in Google Earth. The array is very evident, as well as the Mexican bullring near the beach just below the border (the bullring can be seen in some of the beach/surfing scenes).